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#917711

10:10 AM

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NLECTC’s report shows ceramic pads perform worse than OEM pads.

Race cars use a different ceramic pad formulation and IIRC they don’t all use ceramics. There are different grades/types of ceramics. The “quiet” or “clean” formulations you buy at the local parts store isn’t even close to the racing compounds. “Quiet” and “Clean” brakes aren’t tuned for performance, just FYI.

Allen, do you have quantitative information to support your claim that it “stops on a dime” ? Saying it “stops great” is meaningless when you have actual data (tested on a 2000 CVPI, similar to 98-02 CVPIs) proving otherwise.

My OEM Ford pads cut grooves into all of my rotors, so I’m not going back to OEM in the near future. My Brutestop pads are probably on their last year of service, and I plan to get new rotors and new pads ($$$$$ Ceramic , Semi-Metalic, or MotorCraft Brake Pads ). I’m aiming to grab some AC Delco pads before Delphi goes out of business Ceramic , Semi-Metalic, or MotorCraft Brake Pads IIRC even Ned from Ford ( Ret. ? ) advised against using ceramic pads.NLECTC ‘s report card shows ceramic pads perform worse than OEM pads.Race cars use a different ceramic launching pad formulation and IIRC they do n’t all use ceramics. There are unlike grades/types of ceramics. The “ tranquillity ” or “ clean ” formulations you buy at the local parts store is n’t even close to the racing compounds. “ hushed ” and “ clean ” brakes are n’t tuned for operation, fair FYI.Allen, do you have quantitative information to support your claim that it “ stops on a dime ” ? Saying it “ stops bang-up ” is meaningless when you have actual data ( tested on a 2000 CVPI, similar to 98-02 CVPIs ) proving otherwise.My OEM Ford pads cut grooves into all of my rotors, so I ‘m not going back to OEM in the near future. My Brutestop pads are credibly on their survive year of service, and I plan to get new rotors and modern pads ( $ $ $ $ $ ). I ‘m aiming to grab some AC Delco pads before Delphi goes out of business
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#917712

10:17 AM

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Ceramic , Semi-Metalic, or MotorCraft Brake Pads One the note of “ stops on a dime ” wo n’t help much if the dime bag is underneath the natural gas tank in the car in front of you

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#917713

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Allen, do you have quantitative information to support your claim that it “stops on a dime” ? Saying it “stops great” is meaningless when you have actual data (tested on a 2000 CVPI, similar to 98-02 CVPIs) proving otherwise.

I course I don’t have quantitative info.. But before I put them on, I did some research on them and found nothing but positive properties of ceramic. I understand there are also many different ‘formulations’ of ceramic too.
But I would never go back to regular semi-metalic. My rotors after 40K miles still look new, no dust or groves, and I have no problems stopping fast or otherwise, I can slam on the brakes at high speeds with virtually zero brake fade.

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#917714

01:31 PM

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I ‘d recommend the severe duty Ford/Motorcraft embroider. I got them at the like time I got sword new Ford rotors. not one little squeek. wholly quiet. I very like them. The region count is in my Sig.

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#917715

01:38 PM

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allen : What brand and model ceramic pads are you using ( just out of curiosity ) ?
NASCAR Mike said some of the teams used Brutestop pads ( decidedly not ceramic ), it depends on the team.

The ONLY pads that I have seen groove my rotors were the fuc*ing POS fading factory Ford pads. I tossed them and switched to Brutestop. No extra grooving ( in fact the rotors were grooving the pads … ), no unusual rotor break, lots of dust and lots of noise but no fade. My other AC Delco setups are very easy on the rotors and pads, no noise and minimal dust. I have no qualms about using semi-metallic. Grooving is obviously a problem with OEM factory trash ( GM and Ford have a specification on this, if the grooves do not exceed a certain depth, it is satisfactory ) .

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#917716

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I believe they were MORSE-CERAMIC or they could be DURALAST-GOLD BRAKE PADS from Autozone .

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wink 2012 Mustang GT Premium 5.0 6 Speed Man /w 3.73 LSD .

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#917717

05:22 PM

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I vote Motorcraft semi-metallic pads. I paid big bucks to get Kevlar pads with no difference at all. What a waste .

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#917718

07:30 PM

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I ‘ve tried numerous brands of brake pads on my 2000. The Morse, clash master ceramic, bendix fleet/metlock flit duty pads, Motorcraft, etc. The best pad however, have been the Bendix CT3 ceramic pads .

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#917719

08:32 PM

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I’ve tried numerous brands of brake pads on my 2000. The Morse, friction master ceramic, bendix fleet/metlock fleet duty pads, Motorcraft, etc. The best pads yet, have been the Bendix CT3 ceramic pads.

Bendix CT-3:

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Bendix CT-3 brake pads provide the optimum combination of ceramic technology and organic friction to virtually eliminate dust and noise.

Offering smooth braking, fade-resistant performance and low rotor wear, Bendix CT-3 brake pads are equipped with angled chamfers and premium noise insulators. These thermally bonded insulators include a noise damping system with a silicone core affixed between two layers of galvanized steel. They are rubber coated and attached with a silicone adhesive to absorb more noise than conventional products. Bendix CT-3 brake pads are designed specifically for those customers who desire higher performance and first-rate aesthetics.

Features:
– Thermally bonded insulators with a five-layer noise damping system
– Advanced organic friction formula
– Angled chamfers improve contact profile and pad’s surface

Advantages:
– Smooth braking
– Fade-resistant performance
– Low rotor wear

It’s got organic friction material Ceramic , Semi-Metalic, or MotorCraft Brake Pads
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#917720

08:34 PM

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One ‘s opinion is one ‘s impression. however, in terms of a buy decision, I would respect the impression of one who has first-hand experience with respective different types of brake-pad material over one who plainly asserts, “ My such-and-such brakes are the best ! ” without his having lead experience with others.

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#917721

08:59 PM

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One’s opinion is one’s opinion. However, in terms of a buying decision, I would value the opinion of one who has first-hand experience with several different types of brake-pad material over one who simply asserts, “My such-and-such brakes are the best!” without his having direct experience with others.

I value everyone’s opinion but would not directly heed the advice of someone who has used a bunch of crappy brake pads. I have had positive experiences using AC Delco brake rotors and pads on Fords and my Dodge. The NLECTC report shows the Raybestos SureStop and AC Delco pads provided the best overall performance (much better than OEM). However, the SureStop rear pads tend to crack at the center (due to riveting process). This has been proven to be a problem over the period of at least 5-6 years and still remains “unsolved” by Raybestos.

There is a QUANTITATIVE test report conducted just for you on 00 CVPI chassis showing actual numbers and facts. The carbon metallic and ceramic pads were not as good as the quality semi-metallic pads for cold, normal, and high temp stopping. Opinions are just that, opinions and I value them because I don’t know everything and there are always new pads/tech coming out.

However, black and white text and numbers carry far more weight than opinions and the NLECTC report covers OEM, Performance Friction, Raybestos, DANA metallic and ceramic, Bendix, AC Delco, and a few others.
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#917722

11:17 PM

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And precisely how old is the NLECTC again ? Its from March 2001. The formulation has changed for a few of the manufacturers, some for the better, some for the worst. Morse Ceramics, are a poor performer compared to many other identify brand pads … Yes they are a low dust diggings, but they do n’t stop closely angstrom well as i like. even the Bendix CT3 ceramics went through a reformulation sometime in 2005. The first generation bendix ct3 ca n’t compare to its second generation performance. then Metro, how about the following time you need brake pads, one ‘ll send you some D748CT ‘s ( bendix ct3 ‘s ) for your 2000 as a test launching pad … ?

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2007 Chrysler Inferno Red 300C SRT 8 supercharged
2005 Mercedes S500 w/AMG appearance package
2006 Lexus IS350 (13.2 @ 105) stock
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#917723

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I’ve tried numerous brands of brake pads on my 2000. The Morse, friction master ceramic, bendix fleet/metlock fleet duty pads, Motorcraft, etc. The best pads yet, have been the Bendix CT3 ceramic pads.

Bendix CT-3:

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Bendix CT-3 brake pads provide the optimum combination of ceramic technology and organic friction to virtually eliminate dust and noise.

Offering smooth braking, fade-resistant performance and low rotor wear, Bendix CT-3 brake pads are equipped with angled chamfers and premium noise insulators. These thermally bonded insulators include a noise damping system with a silicone core affixed between two layers of galvanized steel. They are rubber coated and attached with a silicone adhesive to absorb more noise than conventional products. Bendix CT-3 brake pads are designed specifically for those customers who desire higher performance and first-rate aesthetics.

Features:
– Thermally bonded insulators with a five-layer noise damping system
– Advanced organic friction formula
– Angled chamfers improve contact profile and pad’s surface

Advantages:
– Smooth braking
– Fade-resistant performance
– Low rotor wear

It’s got organic friction material Ceramic , Semi-Metalic, or MotorCraft Brake Pads

what’s wrong with organic material? brakes used to work quieter, better, and were easier on the rotors. just don’t breathe it in when servicing (and since you don;t have drums, they don;t collects as much dust there)
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#917724

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http://www.automotivedigest.com/WhitePapers/Akebono_Ceramic_Friction_Tech.pdf

From what I have read, this is why the severe duty brakes are semi-metallic vs. ceramic. Also stopping power for a panic stop situation seems to be worse for ceramics, something even they call a “performance gap”.

I still have a few days to decide which way to go between ceramic and semi-metallic. Dust and noise may NOT outweigh pure stopping power. I found this connect to a brake pad ship’s company report from 2003, they state ceramics are not recommended for arduous SUVs or trucks. I found another bracken article stating the same thing, big vehicles produce excessively much heat and the semi-metalic is better at removing the heat.From what I have read, this is why the austere duty brakes are semi-metallic vs. ceramic. besides stopping power for a panic stop situation seems to be worse for ceramics, something even they call a “ performance gap ” .I still have a few days to decide which room to go between ceramic and semi-metallic. Dust and make noise may NOT outweigh pure stopping power .
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