Slicks vs street tires

Slicks vs street tires

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Discussion Starter · #1 · Jun 21, 2012

For my track bike, am I better off with slicks or street tires? I know I’m not riding at a level that exceeds the capabilities of my street tires but would I help or hinder my learning curve by fitting slicks on the bike?

I’m working on a second set of rims for the bike so I can have both types available.

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The best option IMO is to stay with street tires. They are cheaper, not so much sensitive to the pressures, they work better when they are cold, they last longer and still have decent grip. Get something like Dunlop Q2, Rosso Corsa, Power Pures and you are good to go.

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what group do you ride in?

do you have tire warmers?

do you have the $400.00+ for slicks?

do you race or just td’s?

just stick with dot street tires.

i ride advanced group (or Intermediate to work on setting up/passing),and have done well over 60+ trackdays since 06 or 08 (an taking 1 yr off for 2 knee surgeries). i run on michelin power cups. still a dot tire, but 1 step below slicks. trust me you dont want or need slicks at this time.

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While you do not need slicks nor DOT race tires, it is always better to have more tire than no enough. Ones mentioned previously will be more than you need for a while.

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For my track bike, am I better off with slicks or street tires? I know I’m not riding at a level that exceeds the capabilities of my street tires but would I help or hinder my learning curve by fitting slicks on the bike?

I’m working on a second set of rims for the bike so I can have both types available.

I ran slicks in intermediate. Yes – agreed, not needed – but it also wiped away any concern about will my tire stick while I tried new things and go faster. For me personally, I don’t mind riding on/paying for a tire that’s above my capability, it’s one less concern I have to worry about. :dunno it worked for me. I also ran warmers and am not too too slow to cause the tire to work against me.

what group do you ride in?

do you have tire warmers?

do you have the $400.00+ for slicks?

do you race or just td’s?

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just stick with dot street tires.

i ride advanced group (or Intermediate to work on setting up/passing),and have done well over 60+ trackdays since 06 or 08 (an taking 1 yr off for 2 knee surgeries). i run on michelin power cups. still a dot tire, but 1 step below slicks. trust me you dont want or need slicks at this time.

:scratch what happens when it’s time to start passing really fast guys in advanced? I couldn’t get to advanced until I learned how to pass in intermediate. :dunno seems dangerous…ur set up, line, and pass speed in intermediate will not get you around someone in advanced…..trust.

While you do not need slicks nor DOT race tires, it is always better to have more tire than no enough. Ones mentioned previously will be more than you need for a while.

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Slicks come after your spent bucks on an Ohlins shock and such.

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For my track bike, am I better off with slicks or street tires? I know I’m not riding at a level that exceeds the capabilities of my street…

You just answered your own question.

Once you consistently run quick times in the A Group, then you can consider slicks. I’ve seen some insanely fast riders click off damn near record times on DOT tires.

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Discussion Starter · #8 · Jun 21, 2012

Thanks for the replies. Great info. I’ve got Pilots on the bike now. I do like the idea of having a tire that is above my abilities so I can concentrate more on improving my riding technique (Yes, I’m sure they are ALL above my abilities at this time. Haha). I’m not doing track days in hopes of racing one day. I just enjoy being able to push the bike more than I could on the street and trying to improve my skill level.

What’s amazing to me is even with over thirty years of dirt and street riding, my few track days so far have taught me things I’d never have learned otherwise.

So what tires do you guys recommend? I’m not using tire warmers at this time.

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Rather than start a new thread, i’ll just ask this here (hopefully this is not a threadjack in progress…..)

I have been told by a friend who has done only a few track days (probably 3 – 4 ) that its better to have slicks than street tyres because the track will eat up street tyres much faster than slicks effectively increasing the budget for tyres if one decides to run street tyres only,on the track…. Any truth to this ?

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All tires require certain amounts of heat to work. If you can’t keep heat in a tire, it’s not going to work right, and will actually wear prematurely.

If you’re asking whether or not you need slicks, then you don’t.

Ride street tires on the track for as long as you can, because once you move into race tires, shit just gets way more expensive.

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Rather than start a new thread, i’ll just ask this here (hopefully this is not a threadjack in progress…..)

I have been told by a friend who has done only a few track days (probably 3 – 4 ) that its better to have slicks than street tyres because the track will eat up street tyres much faster than slicks effectively increasing the budget for tyres if one decides to run street tyres only,on the track…. Any truth to this ?

Your friend is full of shit. A true racing slick (not trackday slick) has a very short lifespan its designed to give you maximum grip for about 30 laps and then its performance goes way down and it wears as fast as any other race DOT, so maybe it will last 2 days if you keep riding it past its grip period. Where as a street tire will have constant grip levels through it life and when at the right pressure will last at least twice that if not more.

to the OP I am a Pirelli fan and as such my vote is for the Diablo Rosso Corsa. Its a good tire that is way capable of advance group pace and has great life. It also does not need warmers just one warm up lap and your good to go.

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If I didn’t have tire warmers, I would run the Dunlop Q2s until I got to a level where they started getting torn up too fast, then it would be time to invest in tire warmers + DOT race or Slicks. Pirelli sells a slick that supposedly doesn’t require tire warmers, but no need to spend the money if you don’t need them.

The Michelin Power One commercial

tires are another option. They don’t require warmers and will take you well into the advance group pace.

Basically, run whatever you can get for a good price and is a non-race DOT from whatever manufacturer is sold at your trackdays.

You’ll find most of the new DOT tires offer plenty of grip but once you start upping the pace, the tires will feel loose after just a few laps. This is where you need race tires that can take the heat.

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Your friend is full of shit. A true racing slick (not trackday slick) has a very short lifespan its designed to give you maximum grip for about 30 laps and then its performance goes way down and it wears as fast as any other race DOT, so maybe it will last 2 days if you keep riding it past its grip period. Where as a street tire will have constant grip levels through it life and when at the right pressure will last at least twice that if not more.

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to the OP I am a Pirelli fan and as such my vote is for the Diablo Rosso Corsa. Its a good tire that is way capable of advance group pace and has great life. It also does not need warmers just one warm up lap and your good to go.

Actually, once you get going fast, you’ll find DOT tires get eaten up QUICK and are very susceptible to fade due to too much heat! Those professional types can destroy a DOT tire in just a couple laps. Slicks will last longer than DOT tires, but if you can’t go fast enough to use them, you can/will get cold tire tear and less traction than they can normally provide. Yes, a tire provides the best traction at the beginning of it’s life, but it doesn’t mean you have to change them out as much as a pro race team does unless you’re chasing those last 10ths of a second.

I know for me in the past, a set of Michelin 2cts get slippery for me even in one 20 minute session. A set of DOT Race tires lasts me 1 race weekend (4 practice sessions + 3 races) and they are absolutely toast, with the last race being questionable. (on a ZX-10R). I just found out my race classes allow slicks now, and I will be switching to them for the next races. They provide more traction than DOT race tires and do last longer. BUT, you HAVE to be able to put the heat into them.

Of course, there are different compounds with slicks to consider…

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well I cant speak for the Michelin 2ct tires but I can for the Pirelli. Im not the fastest guy out there but Im not slow either. I run 1:34’s at Tbolt which a few years ago was race winning pace. I got 5 days out of a set of DRC’s running that pace and then I switched to the DSC race compound tire and I am lucky to get 2 whole days I usually get 1.5 out of a rear.

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well I cant speak for the Michelin 2ct tires but I can for the Pirelli. Im not the fastest guy out there but Im not slow either. I run 1:34’s at Tbolt which a few years ago was race winning pace. I got 5 days out of a set of DRC’s running that pace and then I switched to the DSC race compound tire and I am lucky to get 2 whole days I usually get 1.5 out of a rear.

On a set of Dunlop 211 GPA’s, I do a race weekend (Friday practice, GTU and 3-5 sprints) + 3-4 trackdays on them running 33-35’s.

Last year 33’s was usually around 7th place.

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I ran slicks in intermediate. Yes – agreed, not needed – but it also wiped away any concern about will my tire stick while I tried new things and go faster. For me personally, I don’t mind riding on/paying for a tire that’s above my capability, it’s one less concern I have to worry about. :dunno it worked for me. I also ran warmers and am not too too slow to cause the tire to work against me.

:scratch what happens when it’s time to start passing really fast guys in advanced? I couldn’t get to advanced until I learned how to pass in intermediate. :dunno seems dangerous…ur set up, line, and pass speed in intermediate will not get you around someone in advanced…..trust.

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i took almost a 2 yr break from td’s due to 2 botched knee surgeries. im still getting my groove back. I can hang and pass only a few of the slower A group guys. thats why i ride I, to get my groove back, and relearn setting riders up for passes. and for STT, you dont need to “know how to pass” somone to ride A group. just need to know how to ride and hold your line and not falter from it.

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and for STT, you dont need to “know how to pass” somone to ride A group. just need to know how to ride and hold your line and not falter from it.

With STT you don’t need to know anything to ride in the advanced group, you just select the option when signing up.

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With STT you don’t need to know anything to ride in the advanced group, you just select the option when signing up.

That hasn’t changed since the Monticello disaster of 2010? :wtf

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With STT you don’t need to know anything to ride in the advanced group, you just select the option when signing up.

while that is true, if your in A group, and cant hold the race line, your ass will be yanked out quicker than shit ad put back in I group. i ride (track) with about 10+ controll riders (were racers), and i know Mike and Sally who run (take care of) the midwest portion of STT (under Rich, the owner of course).

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On a set of Dunlop 211 GPA’s, I do a race weekend (Friday practice, GTU and 3-5 sprints) + 3-4 trackdays on them running 33-35’s.

Last year 33’s was usually around 7th place.

I have run the Dunlop 209 in the past it definitely did last a lot longer than the Pirelli that I use now but I honestly didn’t like how much feedback the tire had and for some reason I just feel more comfortable on the Pirelli. They say that this sport is more mental than anything.

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